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The Jensen Letters
by IT Support inthe jensen letters is the name given to a series of letters between an elder in the united states and the watchtower society, over the period 1998 to 2003, and neatly illustrate the plight of thinking jehovah's witnesses trying to make sense of the society's blood policy.
they are remarkable in terms of both the incisive questions asked about critical aspects of the blood policy and the society's incompetent attempts at 'spin' and sidestepping awkward issues.
even more remarkably, they conclude with the writer's letter of resignation as an elder!
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The Jensen Letters
by IT Support inthe jensen letters is the name given to a series of letters between an elder in the united states and the watchtower society, over the period 1998 to 2003, and neatly illustrate the plight of thinking jehovah's witnesses trying to make sense of the society's blood policy.
they are remarkable in terms of both the incisive questions asked about critical aspects of the blood policy and the society's incompetent attempts at 'spin' and sidestepping awkward issues.
even more remarkably, they conclude with the writer's letter of resignation as an elder!
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The Jensen Letters is the name given to a series of letters between an elder in the United States and the Watchtower Society, over the period 1998 to 2003, and neatly illustrate the plight of thinking Jehovah's Witnesses trying to make sense of the Society's blood policy.
They are remarkable in terms of both the incisive questions asked about critical aspects of the blood policy and the Society's incompetent attempts at 'spin' and sidestepping awkward issues. Even more remarkably, they conclude with the writer's letter of resignation as an elder!
One of my favorite Watchtower quotes is at the end of their reply to Brother Jensen's third letter:
[When making presentations to doctors, HLC brothers] often find it suffices to say that while individuals may not see the logic of a particular position or agree with our reasoning, we ask that they respect our religious position on this matter... This almost invariably absorbs any implicit demand that we explain what appear to be inconsistencies...
In other words, if a doctor points out the logical flaws or inconsistencies in the Society's policy, the HLC brothers are instructed to simply tell them to respect "our religious position on this matter," and the doctors almost invariably back off. Obviously the doctors have more respect for Jehovah's Witnesses than the Society has for them...
The Jensen Letters are long, but well worth the time to read them carefully. Get them from www.JWTruth.com/articles/BloodJensenLetters.aspx.
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Did anyone notice the address of the shop that owns the 'Men in Kilts' web site?
Men in Kilts, The 18 - 20 The Boulevard, Metro Centre, Gateshead, NE11 9YG
It's in England !!!
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Did you know of any JW elders or JW pioneers that were "racist"?
by booker-t ini know this might sound like a question from "la-la" land but as a black ex-jws most of the white jw's that i did have contact with were really nice.
i was talking to a hispanic ex-jws the other day and he was telling me of some of the racist experiences he had as a jw.
i did not contradict him but i never experienced racism from caucasian jw's.
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I was told this story by a Bethel 'heavy' who swore it was true.
It is of Lyman Swingle (was a Governing Body member, now dead) at the dinner table in Brooklyn Bethel: a new black lad was at his table and Swingle asked him, "Pass the salt, boy."
He lad took this as a racial slur and said, "Pardon me, Brother Swingle?"
"Pass the salt, nigger," Swingle replied.
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Got any good questions about Blood issue?
by whyizit ina dialogue has opened up between me and a jw friend about their stance on blood.
just wondered if any of you were ever asked a question that made you think twice, or if you have any questions that you think would be good to ask?
(i don't want to offend this person.
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A crucial link in WT's teaching that the Scriptures forbid blood transfusions is the argument that a transfusion is nothing more than eating, but by a different route. One of their favorite illustrations is if a doctor were to tell you to abstain from alcohol, could you then have an alcohol transfusion instead?
This appears persuasive until you turn it around: if a doctor were to tell you you needed a blood transfusion, could you drink it instead? Obviously not, because the blood would be digested in the gut, some nutrients would be absorbed into the bloodstream but the solids would be expelled with the rest of your solid waste. But drinking a pint of blood will do nothing to stop your veins collapsing if your circulatory system is hemorraging. It's about as sensible as, when your doctor tells you you need a kidney transplant, asking if you could just have some steak and kidney pie instead.
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WT copyright violation, using others' music as Kingdom Melodies??
by rebel8 indoes anyone remember being taught that the wts got into trouble way back when for using someone else's music w/o permission?
i swear i remember reading or hearing from the platform their excuse that they didn't remember the melody was used by someone else and it was an honest mistake.
something about them using parts of some other church's hymns in the kingdom melodies....something like, "a musician hears many songs and doesn't memorize them all.
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rebel8,
The other day I was looking through some old posts made here by the Guardian reporter Stephen Bates, and smiled when he wrote in thread WTS supports The Guardian:
Incidentally, the PR at the Watchtower never did respond to my letter to him, or to the suggestion that they were in breach of copyright for lifting Guardian words without payment....
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Beth Sarim Deed Copies Have Been Mailed Today !!
by Apostanator in.
for those who requested copies of the deed for beth sarim, i mailed them today.
you should probably receive them between 4--7 days.. apostanator
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lime05,
Where is the actual file?
Congratulations--you passed the first part of the test (you found the link), but failed the second (to download the file)!
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Beth Sarim Deed Copies Have Been Mailed Today !!
by Apostanator in.
for those who requested copies of the deed for beth sarim, i mailed them today.
you should probably receive them between 4--7 days.. apostanator
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If anyone's interested, I've posted the deeds here , where they can be downloaded. It's a 0.18 Mb PDF file.
The word 'here' has the link. Sorry for making it too obscure.
Here it is in a more legible format: http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=3650666
Hope this helps!
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Beth Sarim Deed Copies Have Been Mailed Today !!
by Apostanator in.
for those who requested copies of the deed for beth sarim, i mailed them today.
you should probably receive them between 4--7 days.. apostanator
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If anyone's interested, I've posted the deeds here, where they can be downloaded. It's a 0.18 Mb PDF file.
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WARNING - Critical Windows security flaw
by IT Support ina critical windows flaw has been found and microsoft are not releasing a fix until jan 10th.
in the meantime, you can still protect yourself: read
wmf faq
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In an indication of how seriously they view this vulnerability, Microsoft have now released their own fix for this problem, in spite of originally saying they weren't going to release it until 10 January.
- If you previously installed Ilfak Guilfanov's unofficial fix, it can be uninstalled from Control Panel | Add or Remove Programs.
- If you previously de=registered the shimgvw.dll file, it can be re-registered by going to Start | Run, and running:
regsvr32 %windir%\system32\shimgvw.dll
- Download and install Microsoft's fix from: http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/update/bulletins/200601_WMF.mspx
Microsoft's No-Charge support phone number for virus and other security-related issue support is 1-866-727-2338 , and is available 24 hours a day for the U.S. and Canada. For other countries, see http://support.microsoft.com/common/international.aspx?rdpath=4 .